Is Once Saved, Forever Saved?

The bible is God's breath. God's inspired book. God is so righteous and honest that even the weakness of all the saints also reflected in the inspired word of God. Some of their errors and their mistakes and their sins are all recorded in the bible.

All the saints are human, they have their own opinion of their believe. God even allow the bible to reveal their weakness in their believe system, their error in their believe system. Hence, when we read the bible, we need to make sure what they write, even though is the inspired word of God, has  to be consistent to God's characters.

Is Once Saved, Forever Saved? Eternal Security
Why are we arguing something that only God can judge? If we judged a Christian whether he is truly saved, are we playing God and putting ourselves equal to God? In the end, is this person's salvation decided by our judgement? When we said he cannot make it means he cannot make it? When we said he can make it means he can make it?
Why bible reading people can argue Yes and No? Did the bible said Yes or No?
Do we interpret the bible with bible verses or use our knowledge, understanding and experience?

If we can loose our salvation and there is only one chance, after we loose it, we will not gain it back, then why don't we take chance and time it correctly, like what the thief on the cross did?

No point received so early in life, Have so much fear of loosing it. Do so many good works to earn the points and accumulated many points, in the end, loose our salvation and gained nothing.

Is like buying insurance, Pay premium for tens of years, when died, cannot claim, because one has unconfessed sickness when he first bought.

What if we keep on willfully sinning?
What if we have unconfessed sins?
What if we denounce Christ after we have once received Him?
What is the unpardonable sin the bible talks about?

What about Jesus promised that He will not leave us nor will He forsake us?

Are we saved by work or saved by faith
If we are saved by faith, can our work caused us to loose our salvation, including abandening our faith?

Comparing the thief and Judas

Judas:
Did Judas had faith in Jesus? Was He saved?
Jesus called Judas to follow Him. Judas was with Jesus throughout His ministry. Saw many miracles.
John 6:64,71
Was assisting Jesus ministry in many ways.
Was Judas baptized?
Bible was silent about Jesus baptizing people. Jesus He Himself was baptized by John the Baptist. The apostles were baptizing many, here we can assumed that all the apostles were baptized since water baptism is important. Hence, we can assumed that Judas was baptized.
Did Jesus wash Judas' feet?
John 13:4-5 did suggest that Jesus washed ALL His disciples feet, including Judas
Did Judas participate in the Lord's supper?
John 13:26-27 did suggest that Judas part took the Lord's supper. Only John knew that Judas was the betrayer.
Why Jesus called Judas into His ministry when He already knew that Judas would betray Him?
Is it unfair for Judas if He was chosen to betray Him due to prophesy?
John 6:70 did suggest that Jesus chose the 12 disciples.
Any chance that Judas was restored without us knowing?
Was Judas believe in Jesus Christ as God and saved in the first place?
Judas was also called "Apostle", but was he saved?
Judas never called or acknowledge Jesus Lord or Master as the other apostles did. He only called Jesus "Rabbi or Teacher"
Why Jesus still keep him in His ministry, sent him out and perform miracles?

The thief on the cross:
The thief utter simple words
The thief on the cross uttered simple words of faith and he made it. This simple words are sinner's prayer
Luke 23:
42 Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your Kingdom.”

43 And Jesus replied, “I assure you, today you will be with me in paradise.”

While Jesus was being tried, tortured and crucified, where were His disciples? Did His disciples abandoned Him? Did Jesus leave and forsake them or come to them to restore them after His resurrection?


The significant of Water Baptism
To born again, must be baptized by water and by the Spirit. Only the Spirit give spiritual life (John 3:1-21
Jesus was baptized with water. Jesus went through water baptism Himself, but He Himself did not baptized anyone in water, why? If water baptism is so important, He would have done it Himself. Jesus did not personally baptized His disciples, it was done by John because John was given the ministry of baptism, not Jesus.
John 3:5
John 3:22-29 does suggest that Jesus or/and His disciples did the water baptism.
John 4:1-2 does suggest that Jesus did not, but His disciples did. Hence, Jesus did not personally baptize His apostles


Jesus said He will not desert us nor will He forsake us. Is He true to His word?
If we desert Jesus and forsake our faith, are we still saved?
What did the bible said? The significant of first mentioned in the bible.
Where were all the disciples and apostles when Jesus was on trial, flogged and crucified? They just had supper at the upper room with Jesus the night before. Jesus washed their feet. Now, all the apostles disappeared from the scene and deserted Jesus.
After Jesus crucifixion, Non continue Jesus' ministry. All went back to their own profession. If Jesus didn't appeared and show His resurrected body, His apostles would seems to have abandoned their faith. If at this point, anyone of them died, do they remained saved and have eternal security and made it to heaven?
If Jesus didn't appear Himself to proved He is indeed resurrected and He is God, do you think they will turn the world upside down?
Jesus would have left it that way. But He is true to His word, He will never desert them nor will He forsake them even when His disciples had already forsaken the Lord.
Jesus appeared to them not to judge them, but to restore them back to their faith and ministry.
This mean that Jesus will appear to those who have renounced their faith or deserted Jesus or forsaken Him and restore to them back to their faith, This could be done during His second coming.

Some said Jesus love is unconditional but salvation is conditional